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The subject of whether pool is a sport or not came up in another thread. Several years ago I was in a poker game at the Reno Hilton during the World Poker Challenge when this subject came up. Sitting to my left was Warren 'Monk' Costanza, a world class tournament pool player. He said this 'In an 8 hour session of pool a player does more bending, crouching and squatting than a football player does at practice. And he does more thinking than a college student does in a month.' I just know that as a kid I watched the old great pool players on Wide World of Sports. And I watch the ladies shoot on ESPN. I watch a lot of matches on youtube also. How she went from Manhattan, Kansas to Las Vegas sports betting personality (2:00) How Kelly uses ideas from analytics in her betting (9:52) How to quantify revenge (19:35) NFL win totals that Kelly likes (28:57) Being a woman in the sports betting world (37:27) At the end, we get into an intense discussion of food (45:42). New players only. Min deposit £20. Welcome package split over 3 deposits 35x wagering applies to match Kelly Pool Gambling up bonus. Offer valid for 1 week. 100 Spins split to 20 Spins a day for 5 days – 50x wagering applies to Spins.
My first job, age 13, was in the Town Tavern in Gonzales, Louisiana. They had four regulation pool tables. I was the rackboy. The loser had to pay 10 cents and I racked the balls up for them. I got half the money the pool tables took in. I've been playing pool ever since. But I'm not as good as I used to be simply because I don't have the stamina anymore. I can tell you that nineball is a very fast game and rewards the younger players. It takes a lot of stamina to bang balls in for 4 or five hours.
The comments I made about pool in the other thread was just so much bravado. The last big money game I was in was about a year ago. This twenty-something kid kept after me for a $500 match. I didn't want to play. My barroom buddies know I'm pretty good. Whenever they switch to a partners game I'm the first one picked. They were disappointed I wouldn't play the kid for money. So I agreed to a match. But I switched the kid to nineball. In 8-ball all you do is push the cue ball around the table. I had seen him play enough to know he couldn't go two and three rails for shape.
So we played nineball race to 11 for $500. In short order I had the kid 8 to zero. But by then I was plum tuckered out. I was a 59 year old man playing a twentysomething kid. I had to coast the rest of the way. I won the match 11 to 7.
Cole Dickson died of cancer a few months ago. He's a Montana player. In the 70's he was the best teenage pool player in the country. He was famous for a one-pocket shot called the twistback. In the youtube video he's in a one-pocket match and does the twistback from both sides of the plate. On the first shot he has to make all his balls in the corner pocket just to his left. In the second shot he has to make all his balls in the corner pocket just to his right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiBM6JLcmK4
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Jimmer
Great story, and congrats on the win. I've always been intrigued by pool and think it would be fun to try to get good at. I'd have it easier than most, since my father is an avid player and we're lucky enough to be able to have a full-sized table. But I don't get the impression that scene is what it used to be, especially for people my age (late 20's)
treetopbuddy
Paul Newman and Jackie Gleason?
GBV
I've been playing pool ever since. But I'm not as good as I used to be simply because I don't have the stamina anymore. I can tell you that nineball is a very fast game and rewards the younger players. It takes a lot of stamina to bang balls in for 4 or five hours.
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Older men can probably turn pool skills to other carom games. Tactical experience and patience can be decisive, or at least partially compensate for age.
MangoJ
Do the player realls wear baseball caps and heavy metal shirts ? ... what happened to the dress code in pool games ?
Buzzard
Bedtime, will be back tomorrow. 1957 I was a rack boy in Henry Gordon's poolroom. Racked for Willie Mosconi for two exhibitions. GREATEST PLAYER EVER !Shed not for her the bitter tear Nor give the heart to vain regret Tis but the casket that lies here, The gem that filled it Sparkles yet
Buzzard
Some people think Ralph Greenleaf was better, but one of the guys at the poolroom had been Ralph's manager. Day in and day out he said Mosconi was better. I had no idea I was witnessing greatness. One spectator remarked ' He ain't so good. All he shoots is duckers.'That was true. If I could just shoot his shots and somehow get his position, I could run a 100. And some really really good 9 ball players thought they were stealing when he spotted them the 6 or 7 ball. No Way. Pool was dying in 57. Got a boost in 61/62 when the movie HUSTLER came out. College campus's added billiard rooms and Brunswick sales soared.
Brunswick was Willie's sponsor and led to his world record. He was to give an exhibition on the standard championship 4&1/2 by 9
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table one night in 1954. But that table was not a Brunswick so he had to play on a 4 by 8 Brunswick table. Ran 526 balls. WTF.
That is over 35 racks.
Back in 57 TV was all black and white and showed lots of gangsters movies. Henry had a big console TV in poolroom and would throw a coke bottle at it and curse. WHY ? Cause in those movies every time a criminal needed a hit man. arsonist, whatever he found him in the poolroom. In 1957 you had to be 18 to be in a poolroom and 21 after 11pm. That all went south in mid 60's when Brunswick put tables in bowling alleys and had the laws changed. No longer was a poolroom forbidden fruit.
About same time 3 &1/2 by 7 tables started going into bars UGH. Hate them. But was there ever easier money? Lol No way.
Hey Mickey, any snooker tables in Las Vegas? Know this English bloke I hope to hustle next time he's in the States !
Shed not for her the bitter tear Nor give the heart to vain regret Tis but the casket that lies here, The gem that filled it Sparkles yet
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Buzzard
Some people think Ralph Greenleaf was better, but one of the guys at the poolroom had been Ralph's manager. Day in and day out he said Mosconi was better. I had no idea I was witnessing greatness. One spectator remarked ' He ain't so good. All he shoots is duckers.'
Some people think Ralph Greenleaf was better, but one of the guys at the poolroom had been Ralph's manager. Day in and day out he said Mosconi was better. I had no idea I was witnessing greatness. One spectator remarked ' He ain't so good. All he shoots is duckers.'
Moscoin was my hero, which goes to show you my age! He was something else to watch playing pool, I first learned to gamble shooting pool at the ripe old age of 12. My parents knew the owner of the local pool hall, and as long as I was there with my older brothers, I could shoot pool, it was on the second floor of a hardware store in Clementon New Jersey. Moscoin lived in Philly, and at the time would show up in some of the pool halls in NJ.
One of the first books that really caught my attention was written by him, I would clean up the pool hall for table time and the owner would leave me read that book. It was a lesson in what practicing all the time could do for you. My brothers would take me around to the pool halls and bowling alleys to do a little hustling, hell anybody could beat a 13 year old kid, right? That proved to be a big time mistake for whoever we could hustle!
I hated playing 8 ball, but love playing 9 ball and straight pool. To me 8 ball was nothing but a game of luck. The three games I played the most was Kelly pool, then straight pool, and then nine ball. All my spending money came from playing pool till I was 17 and moved away from NJ. Now days the kids all play video games. It’s a different world we live in today, the kids today think killing everything on the video screens is the thing to do!
Note, all my post start with this is just my opinion...! You do good brada ..! superrick Winning comes from knowledge and skill when your betting and not reading fiction http://procraps4u2.myfanforum.org/index.php ...
Buzzard
Tell the truth Rick, after winning at Kelly and discovering a second pill in your pocket, did you confess ? Or just slide it back in the bottle ? 14-1 is a great game, but nobody plays in any more. 9 ball was my best hustle. I knew what my chances were on running out, and would often just play position to slam the 2 , 3, even the 7 if need be, into the 9 and get lucky. LOLKelly Pool Gambling Schedule
Would have guys pass up an opponent they could beat to play me instead. Plus if I was up $10 at $1 a game and you wanted to play a game for $5 on the 5 and the 9, have at it. In the long run I came out way ahead. HATE bar tables. Can't play safe!
And guys play 8 ball and actually think they are good. What a joke !
Ball in front of pocket, very easy shot, called a ducker in Baltimore. In Pa they were called peeps. Remember when Bowling was on ABC on Saturdays ? Duckpins ruled in Baltimore. Johnny Unitas opened a 10 pin lane in Woodlawn, MD. Near SSA when the Wiz once toiled. Was there the nights light got turned out for non payment in middle of league game. LOL Johnny U lost to duckpins.
But that game is almost dead now too. Some guys play 6 ball on bar table and pose like champs when they run out IDIOTS !
Shed not for her the bitter tear Nor give the heart to vain regret Tis but the casket that lies here, The gem that filled it Sparkles yet
RaleighCraps
Tell the truth Rick, after winning at Kelly and discovering a second pill in your pocket, did you confess ? Or just slide it back in the bottle ? 14-1 is a great game, but nobody plays in any more.
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Have to agree with Buzz on 14-1. Used to play that all the time with my dad in our family room. Loved that game.Always borrow money from a pessimist; They don't expect to get paid back ! Be yourself and speak your thoughts. Those who matter won't mind, and those that mind, don't matter!
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